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TrentonUK's avatar

Thanks a most interesting read. Psychedelics in indigenous cultures are known as 'teacher plants' and their use is tightly regimented via shamans rituals and so on.

These are cultures which will still be around long after techno liberal humanist capitalism has crashed and burned.

Lydia A mothers roar's avatar

Thank for writing this. As a mom who saved her daughter from the genderborg. I appreciate you!

I am California flower child. My mom a hippie artist. Drugs were always being used around me. My step dad lived at the Timothy Leary house for a while. Because getting high was so common in my up bringing in the 70s.

I experimented with LSD as a teenager and early 20s I also did mushrooms. I can say without a shadow of a doubt they did nothing to expand my mind. Because of my experience. I would never recommend anyone taking them. I also smoked pot daily since my teen years. I have been pot sober for 9 years. I read a book called The Presence Process. I think helped me find peace with reality. Not having to live in an altered state has been amazing. The thought of the continued use of psychedelics in gender or anywhere is concerning.

Mothers Grim's avatar

That is quite a background! Thanks for the firsthand account. I am glad you found your way out. When it gets pushed by an industry imagine how many will never find their way out.

Lydia A mothers roar's avatar

Yes! Many don't find their way out. Because as my favorite monk said "The way out. Is in." Meaning we need to work on our mind. My thoughts are if we escape through drugs and alcohol we numb the mind from working on the issues we need to work through. Getting high is overrated. Being sober is really wear it's at. I don't miss smoking pot everyday. Or even getting drunk. I find it difficult to be around people who are now.

Un-silent's avatar

I am wondering if they already have infused these drugs into certain medications in the past. My daughter (16) once got a prescription for Minocycline. We came home and she took her first dose, around a half hour later she came downstairs crying. She said she felt suddenly terrified and unable to concentrate. I was thoroughly shocked and told her to stop taking them and she returned to herself after around an hour. I have no idea why this happened but I still think about it and wonder what happened.

Psychedelics open you up to demon oppression and possession and they have no place in healthcare. I agree with you that they want to revisit what was perpetrated in the 60s and 70s, there is nothing new under the sun.

Mothers Grim's avatar

I had a kid on minocycline for a bit. I was so angry at the doc for prescribing this medication which was essentially a lifestyle med to be taken over a long period for acne, a normal teen problem. It can cause gut biome issues as can all antibiotics. I just asked AI and it also says among the severe side effects are "Neurological Effects: Rare but serious side effects include depersonalization, hallucinations, seizures, and brain swelling (pseudotumor cerebri), which can lead to vision loss. " Among the common ones but less severe are "Neurological: Dizziness, vertigo, lightheadedness, headaches, and vestibular disturbances." Why any doc would prescribe this is beyond me. The profession is not to be trusted.

No, there is nothing new, just new story lines for their concoctions. All those pushing psychedelics sell spiritual connection. And people are desperate so they buy the demonic magic.

Un-silent's avatar

Wow, I had no idea there were those severe side effects. My daughter is now estranged and in the alphabet/furry cult but she has had vertigo issues and my sister said she was diagnosed with POTS. It really makes me wonder if this drug was the father of all of this. She only had the one dose, but who knows what damage it might have done, I mean it only takes one vaccine to do some serious damage, so why not one horrible pill? Thank you so much for the information, and that is correct, they cannot be trusted.

Mothers Grim's avatar

Sorry your daughter joined the cult. As I read the side effects I too wondered how many children / young adults went on this, feel depersonalized, and then go 'trans.' SSRIs certainly can do this. And using psychedelics can cement delusions. But, and this is a big but, if the indoctrination and educational and cultural programming were not also operating in full swing, the outcome would be different. That the option exists to 'go trans,' that cross sex hormones are prescribed, breasts and genitals are butchered needs to end for all. These pipeline drugs add fuel to that fire. Praying your daughter wakes up. (POTS is a well known side effect BTW of the HPV vaccine. There is a Danish documentary about it called "The Vaccinated Girls.")

Un-silent's avatar

Yes, I still don't know if she took the 2021 vaccine, she said she didn't, but I had my doubts with her symptoms. I didn't know that about the HPV vaccine. She attends city college here in CA where they may have told her it was recommended but she understood that as required. I pray not, but there has to be some reason for her illness, it's not natural at her age. I really appreciate your input, thank you so much.

Un-silent's avatar

And I just read on PubMed that it crosses the bbb. Horrifying drug https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8300648/

Why is this drug still on the market??

Jennifer Miller LPC/MHSP's avatar

This is excellent! Interesting how it pairs nicely with the queering of human child and adolescent development that has been ongoing for years.

Corona Studies's avatar

There is in a practical sense really nothing to distinguish psychedelic experiences from what people call 'religious' or 'profoundly spiritual' experiences. And there will always be various groups out there who will try to appropriate such experiences and make them fit a particular ideology or social agenda.....

The problem is the ideologues and their interference, and not the experiences themselves.

Stroke sufferers like Dr Jill Bolte Taylor have also experienced this same 'oneness' that consuming sacred plants can induce, where the body and even language dissolves and there is no difference between 'me' and 'the universe'. These types of experiences tend to radically affect a person for life by offering them a glimpse of reality - and themselves - that is completely different to the 'hard' and 'disconnected' description of reality that is the default setting on 'the news' or in 'politics'.

Listen to her describe her experiences here. It's a brilliant description of what non-mundane states of perception feel like to experience in real time. It just happens to have been caused by a stroke rather than sacred plants. This talk is often described as the best TED talk ever. Note how there is absolutely nothing about her experience that made her want to adopt a trans identity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYD7Y9CXeUw

Western science reduces us all to single and divided 'objects' and feminism further traumatises us with its rejection of, and disgust towards the gendered body (both sexes). So it is no wonder that young people today who are bombarded with scientific and feminist propaganda from age 5 are now seeking to transcend their bodies, and the whole 'trans/humanist' industry is geared up to provide them with the 'solution'.

But it is a fake solution. It is just more materialism posing as transcendence from a materialist paradigm. It is 'virtual transcendence', like putting on a VR helmet instead of actually turning off your computer and going for a long walk in nature for real.

The only way to expose transhumanism's fake solution is to continue to have authentic experiences of transcendence, whether through sacred plants, meditation, music, dance, or walking alone across a mountain range for 3 months ... but hopefully not through strokes!

The answer is to experience more, not less. What defines 'the anxious generation' is their LACK of real world spontaneous experiences (which are often terrifying or unsettling in the moment!) and this includes transcendent experiences beyond the hard physical world.

The transhumanists want to limit our range of experiences and then sell us a fake cure for our feeling of being small and trapped inside of ourselves. The antidote to transhumanism is to live big and be daring to begin with and seek out expanded perceptions and new experiences. Then you won't feel the need to 'augment' yourself with gizmos or create alter egos or dye your hair a different colour each week.

Surgeries, hormones and brain computer interfaces might seem like a logical solution to a generation brought up indoors playing computer games who are already more disconnected from their bodies and from nature than any previous generation in history. A trip to the Amazonian jungle to connect directly into nature in the most profound way possible (with or without the use of sacred plants) might be what they need the most!

(But obviously not with a bunch of transhumanist ideologues present).

I feel there are two dangers we need to be aware of.

1. Having a bunch of transhumanists, technocrats and gender abolitionists take control of the use of psychedelics in the same way they have already taken control of the education system, the movie industry, academia and politics.

2. Having a bunch of TERFs, concerned parents, 'gender critics' or any other group attempt to outlaw the use of psychadelics or make their use taboo or restricted (or worse government regulated) because they want to 'protect young people from harm'.

Things that we know do have a profound 'trans/humanising' effect on young people (directly or indirectly) include feminist ideology, government education, Hollywood movies and mainstream media, EMF from wireless devices, vaccines, plastics and other endocrine disruptors.

I'd say avoiding these things (and anybody who promotes them!) should definitely be encouraged as a top priority. For example, the covid vax contains LNP's which are known (from rat studies conducted long before 2020) to migrate to the ovaries and testes where they have the potential to degrade the cells that facilitate puberty.

The concern expressed by many experts right now is that the generation born to vaxxed mothers (post 2021) will not only suffer reduced fertility, but may even be unable to reach full sexual maturity (full secondary sex characteristics). Of course, such a population would be perfectly in line with everything being pushed right now (genderless language, legal status, passports and so on). It's almost as if they know what's coming.....

Gates, Bourla and others who pushed the shots are already defendants in a case brought by the vaccine injured in the Netherlands. They have been ordered by the judge to appear in court later this year to face the charges. Many experts have already given their testimony and it is damning.

Perhaps we should be focusing on the real world chemical castration and desexing of the population by vaccines. After all 15 million people have already died from this potion, and many more have been injured and disabled. And the science if very clear that 'viruses' do not exist (if you want to see the studies just ask) which means the vaccines obviously had some other purpose nothing to do with 'public health' (obviously).

If we want to save humanity from being de-gendered then vaccines are the number one place to start. Details of the trial here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgu_804kiA

Mothers Grim's avatar

Adding that I agree looking ahead at what is coming down the pike is needed. They know the fertility harms from trans and covid vax. Trans is largely socially engineered over the past 50 years as I summarize in other comment. They are designing industry around this future. Here is a another post where I do peer into this dystopian future: https://margox.substack.com/p/adventures-in-baby-making?r=1kuq0

Mothers Grim's avatar

Thanks for the comment. I do not need to be enlightened about vaccine harms. I am quite aware. It would be quite stupid for me to start at vaccines when the gender harms are also massive and happened to one of my own. Not because one of my loved ones ever had so-called 'gender' issues but because she was sold a crock of lies on a college campus as a young adult. What she had was an indoctrination. She was culturally, socially, institutionally, medically... influenced. She denounced this lunacy after several years and like magic she is no longer 'trans.' Did she 'detox'? No, she deprogrammed. She left the 'gender' cult. My other posts explain this and make it clear I am aware of the insanity in other areas. I am grateful for the many thousands calling out the vax stuff. Have at it. I will continue on with what I know best. The allies to the lies of the gender narrative need also to understand what is happening in the 'gender' area.

Here is a post that might help: https://margox.substack.com/p/the-long-dark-road-of-synthetic-sex?r=1kuq0

A A's avatar

This is scary. My trans-identifyng daughter currently receives Ketamine therapy. 😢

Mothers Grim's avatar

Very sorry. When the reality of your daughter is being erased by those calling themselves "professionals" but are follow the leader idiots who did not bear, birth, raise, know, or love your child it hurts like hell. I still feel that pain to this day even though mine did mange to escape. They have stolen much from her and from me and every family member who loves her. I pray some day your daughter too awakens to the truth.

A A's avatar

❤️❤️❤️ I'm sorry for you and your family too.

Steersman's avatar

MG: Psychedelics are dissociative agents fraught with a troubling history. Aware of psychedelic applications for what is called “gender affirming care (GAC),” but what is in reality undermining biological sex for a synthetic sex, I was doubly alarmed.

👍 "dissociative agents", indeed. Reminds me of "dabbling" in them over 60 years ago during my somewhat abortive forays into University. Reminds me too of some wag's quip: "Universities are concentration camps -- pass it on ... 😉🙂"

But some hard lessons there, some harder than others. Though that reminds me too that my own father -- gawd rest his soul -- had served with the Canadian Army during WW2. Mostly up the boot of Italy -- heaven's above ... -- with a few scenes in Europe even if he missed the show on D-Day, although my ex's uncle was a big part of it, landing with the Canadian Army on Juno Beach.

But I remember my father, same fellow, once saying something about his experiences over that period of time, 1939-1946 or so: wouldn't have missed it for a thousand dollars, and wouldn't do it again for a million. Something that many who went through the same time apparently feel likewise -- "formative experiences", indeed.

But I feel, some 70 years later, about the same about those psychedelics: wouldn't have missed the experiences for a thousand bucks, wouldn't try reprising them for a million -- and adjusted for inflation. Kind of rattles the foundations of a self at best -- a great many, in both cohorts, didn't survive them, didn't live long enough to tell their tales. Though mine or some of them in any case, seem more or less intact. 😉🙂

Mothers Grim's avatar

The nostalgia of reminiscing about youthful adventures is great when you land safely on the other side!

Steersman's avatar

👍 A hearty "amen" to that. Though I periodically wonder whether I really did survive, or whether I was just lucky enough to have been "vouscafed" another couple of my 9 lives. Bit apprehensive about how many I may have left. 🙂

But I certainly know, or have some inklings, that my own Dad -- gawds rest his soul -- had some "PTSD" of his own to deal with in the aftermaths of the war, so to speak. He was in an artillery regiment of the Canadian Army -- I'm a son of a gunner 🙂 -- so he wasn't right on the front line, but I think he still saw, first-hand, some of the carnage he and many others had been the causes of.

Though an army buddy of his came home missing an arm -- a Captain Hook look-alike. My ex and I bought a lease on some lakeside cabins from his widow, the army buddy's, some time after the buddy had committed suicide. Some rather dark and somewhat horrific reverberations through time from those wartime experiences of my dad and his buddies.

Corona Studies's avatar

" Psychedelics are dissociative agents fraught with a troubling history."

I feel we need to put this in context.

Tens or even hundreds of thousands of years of responsible and respectful use by people who treated them with the same degree of care and respect as airline pilots going over their check lists before take off and making sure to not be drunk or tired on flying days.

A mere century of governments trying to use them maliciously.

The history of flight is only 100 years. But it has already involved a lot of pilots weaponising their planes and flying them with the intent to kill others. But this does not mean planes are weapons by definition, nor does it mean banning all air travel is the solution.

Steersman's avatar

As indicated, I'm certainly not denying their use or history -- or value. Remember reading a Huxley tome titled "The Doors of Perception" -- a phrase from English mystic William Blake -- about his experiences with mescaline.

And I have an anthropology book somewhere on my shelves about the experiences of our quite distant ancestors with magic mushrooms of one sort or another -- in particular, amanita muscaria if memory serves:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

how creepy does something need to become before people notice "hey, that's creepy"

We are all on a wild ride to find out!

Daniel Howard James's avatar

I wonder if Steve Jobs was the prototypical tech bro.

Mothers Grim's avatar

Well, he did like altered states.

Daniel Howard James's avatar

It was his fatal arrogance that he believed he could cure his own cancer, combined with his adulation by male geeks, that I was thinking of. There's evidence that the actual innovation at Apple was performed by others, but Jobs always got the credit.

Mothers Grim's avatar

I remember the broccoli diet but I think his autobiography left out quite a bit. Today male geek power reigns. "Social Dilema" only gathers momentum.