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EyesOpen's avatar

These two lines stood out to me: "In the end there is no ‘trans joy’ to be found but only industrial wealth feeding off the human body itself."

"The idea that ‘trans joy’ is a thing is absurd. Time and reality are telling the real human story. These young women are suffering. They need actual care not surgical wizardry that can fix nothing."

Yes, chasing the elusive "joy" may not be found at the end of the rainbow of the next surgery.

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Daniel Howard James's avatar

This reminds me that since the advent of consumerism, women have been told that 'joy' is to be found in shopping for clothes and shoes. As a result, many Western women with depression hoard expensive fashion purchases that they never wear, and which put them into debt. With transgenderism, the object of desire is not just fashion for the body, it is fashioning the body itself.

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EyesOpen's avatar

I've never been a shopper, but I know many women are into that. But fashioning the body can be seen in tatoos and cosmetic surgeries for many of our young women.

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Daniel Howard James's avatar

Right, it's when reproductive anatomy is the subject of fashion that even more harm can be done. A bad tattoo can be covered with a better one, but you can't get your genitals back.

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EyesOpen's avatar

Exactly

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Gerda Ho's avatar

Industrial wealth for sure! That also stood out for me. The idea of”joy” in body mutilation is cringeworthy!

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

The relaxing of IRB review for minimal risk studies is a good thing.

The problem is not the level of risk assessment. The problem is that IRB does not work *at all* at any level of risk assessment to prevent unethical research. So, for example, remember the Duke University study inducing lactation in trans women?

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2024/04/duke-university-duke-health-study-hormone-modification-transgender-woman-lactation-infant-therapy-gender-research#:~:text=Duke%20researchers%20published%20a%20study,the%20National%20Library%20of%20Medicine.

That research passed the most stringent of human subjects protocols. The reforms about minimal risk research were not relevant to that study. The most stringent review process allowed a man with a fetish to have a baby suck chemical gloop out of his body. That wasn't a surprise, that was the GOAL OF THE RESEARCH and the study was approved. And widely applauded! Duke was PROUD of this research and PROMOTED IT.

Ditto any of the studies that are done on sterilizing kids, mutilating kids, having girls wear breast binders, all of it.

The problem is NOT recent reform which pertains to journalistic-style interview research (just talking to people). The problem is that IRB, like the whole rest of the university, is completely, utterly, and fundamentally ethically lost.

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Mothers Grim's avatar

You are absolutely right. Fundamentally the whole shebang should not exist at all.

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Kathleen Lowrey's avatar

I wrote the Duke IRB with questions about that study (I am on our IRB equivalent at my uni in Canada). They never replied.

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Mothers Grim's avatar

No surprise. Duke is up there with the worse but I am glad you made the effort to inquire. Dark medicine where no one knows the whole story seems fitting.

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Gerda Ho's avatar

Wow! This is what comes to mind:

“Oh , what a tangled web we weave … when first we practice to deceive !”

What a real eye opener on the unethical practice of gender” medicine “! And it’s obvious profit motive. Joy? Maybe for the doctors who go against the oath to “First Do No Harm” or for Big Pharma! For those who have been mutilated and medicalized for life, how much joy?

Frankly , all of this is nauseating !

I hope more states wake up to this nightmare and take measures to stop the worst medical scandal in history!

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Lindyloola's avatar

All this talk of ‘trans joy’ is a direct contradiction with all the talk of ‘trans genocide’ which is apparently by their own hand/suicide…because other than Brianna Ghey’s murder by two homicidal teens, they are not getting offed by TERF’s, or anyone else for that matter in the UK or anywhere outside of sex work in Latin America, where women’s bodies are routinely found in black bags at the side of the road.

I suppose I must simply add it to my long list of ‘trans contradictions’.

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Un-silent's avatar

Happiness comes from things on the outside making one happy, joy comes from inside. Trusting in the Lord brings me joy, not changing my outward appearance to create an illusion. I really hate it when words are twisted and perverted to represent an ideology.

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Samantha Paige (she/they)'s avatar

Huh. Okay.

So, now we’re politicizing joy?

Wow.

I feel bad for you, and people like you. I really do. To quote Shakespeare, “There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Just out of curiosity, what do you call your “joy?”

You know, the “joy” you felt publishing this?

What’s your joy called?

(I have a pretty good idea what it’s called, I just want to see if you are self-aware enough to recognize what it’s called in you).

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Kelly Aster's avatar

"I feel joy when I express my hatred of minorities. My joy is called 'hate.'"

~Mothers Grim

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PITT's avatar

OMG I am rolling 🤣

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